da ich gut unterrichtet bin weiss ich, dass das neue PES erst am 20.10. rauskommtCarlsberg hat geschrieben:Wenn du nich mal weisst, wenn dein super PES rasukommt, hast du nichts zu melden!
PES 30.9
PES 5 - war hat schon?
[quote="Basic"]da ich gut unterrichtet bin weiss ich, dass das neue PES erst am 20.10. rauskommt ]
Sorry, in dem Fall ein Fehler auf der CD des im obigen Posting erwähnten PS2 Magazins. Da hiess es ein Tag später als Fifa, demnach 30.9!
Habe nun auf wog.ch geschaut und da steht 19.10.
Daher gibt meinerseits ein Sorry!
Sorry, in dem Fall ein Fehler auf der CD des im obigen Posting erwähnten PS2 Magazins. Da hiess es ein Tag später als Fifa, demnach 30.9!
Habe nun auf wog.ch geschaut und da steht 19.10.
Daher gibt meinerseits ein Sorry!
Eindrücke von PES5 eines heavy PES gamers:
Today I alternated in playing WE9 and FIFA 06 on the PS2 just to get a really good comparison. I've been playing WE9 since early August so know the game pretty much inside out.
- Atmosphere
Sorry, but PES5/WE9 this year are just devoid of atmosphere. The 500 crowd attendence for a Man Utd v Arsenal game or Brazil v England game is just pathetic. It takes away from the atmosphere of the game when you run down the sideline and see a huddle of about 12 fans sitting in a near empty stadium. The only time you see a full crowd is on certain camera angles which sucks if you want to play with a different camera angle, e.g. the one you've always played with. The chants are generic and admittedly better than PES4/WE8 but still, there's nothing like the crowd yelling "United, United" when you're 1-0 up against Chelsea 2 mins into injury time. Generic stadiums with generic crowd banners (not that there's enough members of the crowd to wave flags anymore!) just doesn't make you feel enthused IMO. Yes, you can patch all this stuff but for the majority without modded consoles, you're screwed and even the best patch comes nowhere close to 100% authenticity.
- Gameplay
I said after WE7:I that I'd be happy if Konami never made another change to gameplay again because for me, that was almost the perfect simulation. WE8 came along and screwed it up with over-zealous handballs that had to be corrected for the release of PES4. Still, PES4/WE8:I was a great game and had very little flaws in gameplay except for slide tackles that were way too easy and the computer cheating the ass off of you when you got to 5 stars with every rebound bouncing magically to the computer controlled players feet. Obviously the lack of leagues etc. hurts but that's more about licenses than gameplay. WE9/PES5 for me frustrates the crap out of me. All but two of the refs call every freaking minor contact as a foul. It's possible to get a foul called every 45-60 seconds without the use of slide tackles just using shoulder-to-shoulder barges. The constant sidestepping gets comical (although in a circus type way!) after 5 mins with every player using the same move 50 times per game. Again, goalkeepers either dive to save with two hands or watch the ball go in the goal because Konami haven't figured out how to program a one-handed save yet - the most common save in football/soccer!!! FIFA 2006 has made leaps and bounds this year and obviously it's in no small part due to them employing ex-Konami staff. In all honesty, even with the WE9/PES5 gameplay flaws above, the Konami gameplay is still better overall because of the superior gravity of the ball and more fluid movements of the players (although the sidestep kind of makes a joke of this now as you're limited in 1-on-1 situations). The gap between PES4 and FIFA 2005 in gameplay to me was about 5 years, between PES5 and FIFA 2006 it's about 1 year. Konami haven't gone forward with gameplay this year, they've gone backwards. FIFA has fast-forwarded big time and are so very nearly there.
- Licenses
A tired old argument and we know it's all about EA's monetary domination so barely worth a mention. But still, if you're a Preston North End fan and you love your team, are you gonna play with Blackburn because it's closest you can get? Are you gonna mod your console and patch the game so you can have Preston in the Premiership as it's the closest you can get? Not everybody supports the big boys and outside of the big clubs, it hurts to see your team (even Manchester United) represented the way they are, playing at something that has the structure of Old Trafford, with a team called Man Red in a uniform from the 1920s and a crowd that shout the same chants for you as they do for Arsenal or West Brom. Konami has got better every year with licenses but from last year to this year, how many new teams have licenses? Very few. At this rate it'll take another 2-3 years before you hear Man Utd as Man Utd. rather than Madcrester, Man Red, McCrester or whatever other comentary name they come up with.
- Squads
Nothing really to do with licenses as amending names, although a big job, can be done and easily amended without modded consoles etc. Although you need an X-Port to transfer it to your MC. Still, Why the heck can't Konami have a more updated squad for this year than the January transfer window??? The international squads always seem to be a good 12 months behind. With no easy way to get rid of the players to a vacuum, each year you're forced to use an external editor before you can get anything near an up-to-date roster for many of the teams. Creating players is a pain and I should know given I made x number of roster patches for the game. Having to create players from scratch with no real stat basis to go from other than the CM/FM database which is flawed in conversion is a pain and created more arguments than any other aspects of the patches for PES/WE. Konami do very little to help you in managing the squads and it's taken them this long to even allow you to make free transfers between clubs and you still can't release a player into the free market (a team outside of the game) very easily.
All in all, Konami still rules with it's gameplay although I feel they've definitely gone backwards because the game is almost too annoying to play for me now. The cheating is worse than ever at 5 or 6 stars with the computer making impossible passes, winning every 50:50 ball (or even 30:70), never getting called for fouls whereas you get booked every time you look at another player (I've won the Premiership on 6 stars so don't say I'm crap at the game). It makes winning not about playing better but playing to counter areas you know the computer cheats. Watching Van Der Sar not bother diving to save a ball one yard away because it would involve a one-handed save which hasn't been programmed so he tries to stick his foot out is a joke. Top corner shots are going to go in 9/10 because again, goalkeepers can't make a one-handed dive to the top corner. They magically shuffle at super-human speed to use two hands or they watch the ball going in making no attempt at all.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion and everybody on here knows I was the biggest Konami fanboy alive over this last 3-4 years but Konami have dropped the ball this year and allowed FIFA to catch up. Superior overall gameplay will keep their loyal market on board but if I was a newbie and had to weigh the two games up, I'd go with FIFA because I want an overall realistic experience, not have to use my imagination or mod my console and d/l a new patch every two weeks because it's more realistic than the last one.
PES/WE fans, I don't hate the game, I still love the game up until this years version but playing in empty stadiums, sidestepping my way across the field and fouling players by proximity pushed me towards a gigantic effort by EA this year to catch up. Hats off to EA, you pulled your heads out of your asses. Still a long way to go but the best FIFA title every in every regard. Konami, same BS next year and your previous leaps in market share will start hitting the pan again.
Furry boy out.
Quelle: http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.p ... ge=2&pp=15
Today I alternated in playing WE9 and FIFA 06 on the PS2 just to get a really good comparison. I've been playing WE9 since early August so know the game pretty much inside out.
- Atmosphere
Sorry, but PES5/WE9 this year are just devoid of atmosphere. The 500 crowd attendence for a Man Utd v Arsenal game or Brazil v England game is just pathetic. It takes away from the atmosphere of the game when you run down the sideline and see a huddle of about 12 fans sitting in a near empty stadium. The only time you see a full crowd is on certain camera angles which sucks if you want to play with a different camera angle, e.g. the one you've always played with. The chants are generic and admittedly better than PES4/WE8 but still, there's nothing like the crowd yelling "United, United" when you're 1-0 up against Chelsea 2 mins into injury time. Generic stadiums with generic crowd banners (not that there's enough members of the crowd to wave flags anymore!) just doesn't make you feel enthused IMO. Yes, you can patch all this stuff but for the majority without modded consoles, you're screwed and even the best patch comes nowhere close to 100% authenticity.
- Gameplay
I said after WE7:I that I'd be happy if Konami never made another change to gameplay again because for me, that was almost the perfect simulation. WE8 came along and screwed it up with over-zealous handballs that had to be corrected for the release of PES4. Still, PES4/WE8:I was a great game and had very little flaws in gameplay except for slide tackles that were way too easy and the computer cheating the ass off of you when you got to 5 stars with every rebound bouncing magically to the computer controlled players feet. Obviously the lack of leagues etc. hurts but that's more about licenses than gameplay. WE9/PES5 for me frustrates the crap out of me. All but two of the refs call every freaking minor contact as a foul. It's possible to get a foul called every 45-60 seconds without the use of slide tackles just using shoulder-to-shoulder barges. The constant sidestepping gets comical (although in a circus type way!) after 5 mins with every player using the same move 50 times per game. Again, goalkeepers either dive to save with two hands or watch the ball go in the goal because Konami haven't figured out how to program a one-handed save yet - the most common save in football/soccer!!! FIFA 2006 has made leaps and bounds this year and obviously it's in no small part due to them employing ex-Konami staff. In all honesty, even with the WE9/PES5 gameplay flaws above, the Konami gameplay is still better overall because of the superior gravity of the ball and more fluid movements of the players (although the sidestep kind of makes a joke of this now as you're limited in 1-on-1 situations). The gap between PES4 and FIFA 2005 in gameplay to me was about 5 years, between PES5 and FIFA 2006 it's about 1 year. Konami haven't gone forward with gameplay this year, they've gone backwards. FIFA has fast-forwarded big time and are so very nearly there.
- Licenses
A tired old argument and we know it's all about EA's monetary domination so barely worth a mention. But still, if you're a Preston North End fan and you love your team, are you gonna play with Blackburn because it's closest you can get? Are you gonna mod your console and patch the game so you can have Preston in the Premiership as it's the closest you can get? Not everybody supports the big boys and outside of the big clubs, it hurts to see your team (even Manchester United) represented the way they are, playing at something that has the structure of Old Trafford, with a team called Man Red in a uniform from the 1920s and a crowd that shout the same chants for you as they do for Arsenal or West Brom. Konami has got better every year with licenses but from last year to this year, how many new teams have licenses? Very few. At this rate it'll take another 2-3 years before you hear Man Utd as Man Utd. rather than Madcrester, Man Red, McCrester or whatever other comentary name they come up with.
- Squads
Nothing really to do with licenses as amending names, although a big job, can be done and easily amended without modded consoles etc. Although you need an X-Port to transfer it to your MC. Still, Why the heck can't Konami have a more updated squad for this year than the January transfer window??? The international squads always seem to be a good 12 months behind. With no easy way to get rid of the players to a vacuum, each year you're forced to use an external editor before you can get anything near an up-to-date roster for many of the teams. Creating players is a pain and I should know given I made x number of roster patches for the game. Having to create players from scratch with no real stat basis to go from other than the CM/FM database which is flawed in conversion is a pain and created more arguments than any other aspects of the patches for PES/WE. Konami do very little to help you in managing the squads and it's taken them this long to even allow you to make free transfers between clubs and you still can't release a player into the free market (a team outside of the game) very easily.
All in all, Konami still rules with it's gameplay although I feel they've definitely gone backwards because the game is almost too annoying to play for me now. The cheating is worse than ever at 5 or 6 stars with the computer making impossible passes, winning every 50:50 ball (or even 30:70), never getting called for fouls whereas you get booked every time you look at another player (I've won the Premiership on 6 stars so don't say I'm crap at the game). It makes winning not about playing better but playing to counter areas you know the computer cheats. Watching Van Der Sar not bother diving to save a ball one yard away because it would involve a one-handed save which hasn't been programmed so he tries to stick his foot out is a joke. Top corner shots are going to go in 9/10 because again, goalkeepers can't make a one-handed dive to the top corner. They magically shuffle at super-human speed to use two hands or they watch the ball going in making no attempt at all.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion and everybody on here knows I was the biggest Konami fanboy alive over this last 3-4 years but Konami have dropped the ball this year and allowed FIFA to catch up. Superior overall gameplay will keep their loyal market on board but if I was a newbie and had to weigh the two games up, I'd go with FIFA because I want an overall realistic experience, not have to use my imagination or mod my console and d/l a new patch every two weeks because it's more realistic than the last one.
PES/WE fans, I don't hate the game, I still love the game up until this years version but playing in empty stadiums, sidestepping my way across the field and fouling players by proximity pushed me towards a gigantic effort by EA this year to catch up. Hats off to EA, you pulled your heads out of your asses. Still a long way to go but the best FIFA title every in every regard. Konami, same BS next year and your previous leaps in market share will start hitting the pan again.
Furry boy out.
Quelle: http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.p ... ge=2&pp=15
ganz genau, sind zum teil eklatante unterschiede. WE9 ist eher eine demoversionMayor hat geschrieben:Isch es nidd eso, dass WE9 immer das ischwo vorem PES5 usse kunnt? Und denne no abgstimmt und verbesseret wird? Dorum jo au immer die Verspötige! Glaub nidd, dass dä "Tescht" im Momänt sehr maasgäbend isch!
Phallokratisches Chauvinischtenschwein mit patriarchischer Grundeinstellung
[quote="Ruudie"]...werde jetzt erst mal bis zum 19. Oktober 'n bisserl Fifa 06 zocken... ]
denn sie wissen nicht was sie tun
nein, ich werde auch mal bei meinen kumpels vorbei schauen und ein bisschen fifa spielen um die wartezeit zu überbrücken
denn sie wissen nicht was sie tun
nein, ich werde auch mal bei meinen kumpels vorbei schauen und ein bisschen fifa spielen um die wartezeit zu überbrücken
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Konter-chröne
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vorallem sin das ener d'erschtihdrügg...
mag mi no erinnere wie ich ganz am ahfang das game ghasst ha...
und mittlerwile kei anders spiel so oft zockt
dass s'gameplay sich im verglich zum letschte joor nid gross g'änderet findi ener positiv und die viele fouls wonr ahspricht... muesch halt nid immer uff em x-knopf chläbe bliebe. schliesslig isch trikotzupfe halt au eh foul
aber ebbe... uff dr insle wird halt andersch gspielt, aber me cha dr schirri jo wächsle wenn me wott
y glaub me wirds erscht richtig beurteile chönne wenn me eh ganzi master-league saison mit ximenes, minanda und all däne freddys duurezockt het
und das es uff 5-stärn oder 6-stärn ändlig schwerer worde isch, macht d'vorfreud grad no eh stück höher...
mag mi no erinnere wie ich ganz am ahfang das game ghasst ha...
und mittlerwile kei anders spiel so oft zockt
dass s'gameplay sich im verglich zum letschte joor nid gross g'änderet findi ener positiv und die viele fouls wonr ahspricht... muesch halt nid immer uff em x-knopf chläbe bliebe. schliesslig isch trikotzupfe halt au eh foul
aber ebbe... uff dr insle wird halt andersch gspielt, aber me cha dr schirri jo wächsle wenn me wott
y glaub me wirds erscht richtig beurteile chönne wenn me eh ganzi master-league saison mit ximenes, minanda und all däne freddys duurezockt het
und das es uff 5-stärn oder 6-stärn ändlig schwerer worde isch, macht d'vorfreud grad no eh stück höher...
stimmt's für di???
[quote="Konter-chröne"]vorallem sin das ener d'erschtihdrügg...
mag mi no erinnere wie ich ganz am ahfang das game ghasst ha...
und mittlerwile kei anders spiel so oft zockt
dass s'gameplay sich im verglich zum letschte joor nid gross g'änderet findi ener positiv und die viele fouls wonr ahspricht... muesch halt nid immer uff em x-knopf chläbe bliebe. schliesslig isch trikotzupfe halt au eh foul
aber ebbe... uff dr insle wird halt andersch gspielt, aber me cha dr schirri jo wächsle wenn me wott
y glaub me wirds erscht richtig beurteile chönne wenn me eh ganzi master-league saison mit ximenes, minanda und all däne freddys duurezockt het ]
...schwerer ist ok ! Was aber nervt (auch bei Fifa) wenn dann diese "gebugten" Goals (die er anspricht) zustande kommen ! Geht halt ab und zu mal ein Pad drauf !
So wie ich den Eindruck hab' ist Fifa 06 so eine Art PES 3.5 mit den Lizenzen und dem Umfang der Fifa-Reihe.... mal schauen, in vorabsehbarer Zeit wissen wir mehr über den neusten Stand des Fifa/PES battle...
mag mi no erinnere wie ich ganz am ahfang das game ghasst ha...
und mittlerwile kei anders spiel so oft zockt
dass s'gameplay sich im verglich zum letschte joor nid gross g'änderet findi ener positiv und die viele fouls wonr ahspricht... muesch halt nid immer uff em x-knopf chläbe bliebe. schliesslig isch trikotzupfe halt au eh foul
aber ebbe... uff dr insle wird halt andersch gspielt, aber me cha dr schirri jo wächsle wenn me wott
y glaub me wirds erscht richtig beurteile chönne wenn me eh ganzi master-league saison mit ximenes, minanda und all däne freddys duurezockt het ]
...schwerer ist ok ! Was aber nervt (auch bei Fifa) wenn dann diese "gebugten" Goals (die er anspricht) zustande kommen ! Geht halt ab und zu mal ein Pad drauf !
So wie ich den Eindruck hab' ist Fifa 06 so eine Art PES 3.5 mit den Lizenzen und dem Umfang der Fifa-Reihe.... mal schauen, in vorabsehbarer Zeit wissen wir mehr über den neusten Stand des Fifa/PES battle...
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repplyfire
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ha jetzt sit 2-3 dääg pes5 für d xbox deheim.
ich bi die letschte joor immer fifa-spieler gsi ( ) und ha jetzt aber ächt mieh. Ich bekumm dä verdammti ball eifach nid ins gegnerische goal, sälbst uff dr stufe mit eim stärn...
Naja, no e bitz iebe, mues mi zerscht no umgwöhne vo fifa uff pes. Aber muess sage, es isch e geils spiel!
Grad no frooge umme zu de modus oder so?
ich bi die letschte joor immer fifa-spieler gsi (
) und ha jetzt aber ächt mieh. Ich bekumm dä verdammti ball eifach nid ins gegnerische goal, sälbst uff dr stufe mit eim stärn... Naja, no e bitz iebe, mues mi zerscht no umgwöhne vo fifa uff pes. Aber muess sage, es isch e geils spiel!
Grad no frooge umme zu de modus oder so?
jaMax_1893 hat geschrieben:ha jetzt sit 2-3 dääg pes5 für d xbox deheim.
ich bi die letschte joor immer fifa-spieler gsi (
Naja, no e bitz iebe, mues mi zerscht no umgwöhne vo fifa uff pes. Aber muess sage, es isch e geils spiel!
Grad no frooge umme zu de modus oder so?
chamer de karieremodus 2 player spiele?
ps: wohär hesch du das game?
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wieder jemand den man bekehren konnteMax_1893 hat geschrieben:ha jetzt sit 2-3 dääg pes5 für d xbox deheim.
ich bi die letschte joor immer fifa-spieler gsi (
Naja, no e bitz iebe, mues mi zerscht no umgwöhne vo fifa uff pes. Aber muess sage, es isch e geils spiel!
Grad no frooge umme zu de modus oder so?
jaja, pes ist halt immer noch was für die fortgeschrittenen
kann man turniere mit x-beliebig viele teams machen z.b. 3 oder 5?
oder nur zu 4/8/16 usw.?
Phallokratisches Chauvinischtenschwein mit patriarchischer Grundeinstellung
Es git folgendi Modi:smith hat geschrieben:chamer de karieremodus 2 player spiele?
ps: wohär hesch du das game?
- Einzelspiel
- Meister-Liga
- Liga
- Pokal
- Training
- Editier-Modus
- Optionen
- XBOX-Live
Wäge dr Quelle vom Spiel schrieb dr e PN. ]
kann man turniere mit x-beliebig viele teams machen z.b. 3 oder 5?
oder nur zu 4/8/16 usw.?
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Jo, kasch im Menüpunkt 'Liga' e Turnier mache mit 2-20 Mannschafte, beliebig istellbar.
Falls no witeri Frooge ufftauche eifach frooge.
Hoff ha euch zwei könne hälfe.
edit: ich ha übrigens die europäisch pal version, falls das für öbber interessant isch.
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WORD!!!alter sack hat geschrieben:ich hoffe, die schiris haben gleichviel unterhaltungspotential wie in teil vier.... elenden hurensöhne!
der alte sack
PES rulet...
würd eifach gärn no fifa 06 und pes 5 uf dr xbox gegenenander vrgliiche...
wirdi warsch. nie mache...s 4 längt im momänt no...
brrääääh
sig stolz uf d Lüt im stadion...JEDERZIIT
Now I suppose I'm doing quite alright
Ever since I blew
Never worry about me or worry about mine player
Worry about you
Big K.R.I.T
Now I suppose I'm doing quite alright
Ever since I blew
Never worry about me or worry about mine player
Worry about you
Big K.R.I.T
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i schaff grad in dr stadt, drum holis au dört.skraggy hat geschrieben:Hesch's vorbschtellt oder holsch's in dr Schtadt?
Ich hoff ächt s'wird wieder ä chli realistischer...
so wie ichs in mim stamm-ps2-mag gläse ha, sölls schins zum teil e radikali umstellig si, wenn me vorhär pes4 gspielt het. aber das hani scho bi pes3 -> pes4 gfunde.
was schins wirklig scheisse isch: s spiel söll relativ übertribe oft unterbroche wärde wäge kleine rerangel. so wies bi pes3 mit de hands gsi isch. und wasi vo däne witschüss halte söll, weissi au noni. ha bewegti bilder gseh und do ka me eifach mol vo 30 meter druf knalle und är goht ine.
jänu, anderersits hets au wider geili neuerige, z.b. neus und v.a. realistischers kopfballsystem (me muess im richtige momänt gumpe), neui position (hängendi spitze: stürmer, wo aber au vil nach hinde schafft und sich dört d bäll holt. stell mr das so vor wie dr ronaldinho in ächt, also hängende stürmer oder sehr offensive mittelfäldspieler
), neui attribut bi dr leischtigsazeig (usserischt...). neus schusssystem => schuss + r2 für weniger harte, defür sehr präzise schuss mit em innerrischt. mol luege, morn bini schlauer.