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Hello everyone,from Israel
I'm a fan of Maccabi , but not Maccabi Tel Aviv , Maccabi Haifa
first of all , Congratulations for the rise to the Champions League Play-off round , i think you better than any team in Israel .
But that's not what I want to talk , Do you really think that such behavior as inappropriate Club like Basel?

At first, do not want to go to Israel
Then, do not shake hands and respect players who play against him
And managed to provoke the fans.

* Sorry about my English

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben: , Do you really think that such behavior as inappropriate Club like Basel?

It seems that Salah AND a big part of the Israeli football fans do not realize that sports and politics shouldn't be mixed.
In the away game the Maccabi-fans started to provoke, Salah reacted.

panda hat geschrieben:It seems that Salah AND a big part of the Israeli football fans do not realize that sports and politics shouldn't be mixed.

Agree with you very much!

But he started to mix the two things, the fans were swept him.

We are very sensitive to this issue in Israel, but try not to mix sports.

A few days before this game, Barcelona was hosted at the Stadium - Bloomfield and held training with Israelis and Palestinians.

And now you all buy Barca Tricots. Gread Marketing.

Salah never start with something. Aegypt medias wrote something he never said and all Israelis relied on this.

Hello to Israel

As far as I know Salah never said that he would not travel to Israel. This seems to be the invention of the media or do you have any serious source in order to prove that Salah really mentioned that he was not going to travel to Israel?

Regarding the handshake in Basel. I do agree with you that this was not the kind of action that I like to see from any FC Basel player. I think that any player should respect the other no matter what religion, colour or race.

But anyway... we are now concentrating on other matters. At the end it was the behaviour of one single player of FC Basel. This behaviour does not reflect the opinion of the other players or the club.

Hi

as already said by others we do not see the necessity to mix up politics and sports here in Switzerland (most of us at least, there were some people who felt the necessity to comment about you not being europeans or who had the need to tell the forum-community they will avoid Israel away).
That said, to your question:
That he didnt want to come isnt confirmed yet (and wont ever be); no comment necessary on this matter.
About the other two things, yes, i personally was disappointed. But since i do not personally know the above-mentioned player, and i do not have any knowledge of preceding events, i do not feel like judging him. But i definitively would have prefered if he had "just played" as the other egyptian did.

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Hello everyone,from Israel
I'm a fan of Maccabi , but not Maccabi Tel Aviv , Maccabi Haifa
first of all , Congratulations for the rise to the Champions League Play-off round , i think you better than any team in Israel .
But that's not what I want to talk , Do you really think that such behavior as inappropriate Club like Basel?

At first, do not want to go to Israel
Then, do not shake hands and respect players who play against him
And managed to provoke the fans.

* Sorry about my English

First of all, Salah never publicly said he didn't want to play in Israel. Those statements were made by egyptian newspapers and then adopted by the media in Switzerland and Israel.
Him not shaking hands was certainly not sportsmanlike, but considering the possible consequences he or his family might have faced in Egypt if he appeared to "friendly" with the Maccabi Players, maybe "kind of" understandable.
And provoking fans is just part of the game, especially in such important games, just like it's "normal" for fans to provoke players in an attempt to distract them.

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Hello everyone,from Israel
I'm a fan of Maccabi , but not Maccabi Tel Aviv , Maccabi Haifa
first of all , Congratulations for the rise to the Champions League Play-off round , i think you better than any team in Israel .
But that's not what I want to talk , Do you really think that such behavior as inappropriate Club like Basel?

At first, do not want to go to Israel
Then, do not shake hands and respect players who play against him
And managed to provoke the fans.

* Sorry about my English

First of all; there is a difference about what medias are writing and what players really said. He never said in front of media people, that he doen't want to play in Israel. There were just boulevard medias writing about his plans not to go to Israel. They wrote it, he never mention it - at least not in front of medias. The story about the handshake; his family lives in Egypt and the circumstances there aren't "easy". He's just 21 - you never know about the danger his family could be when he's doing a friendly handshake - it's sad, but Egypt is in a dangerous situation inside. He got blamed from the Tel Aviv fans during the whole game. He stayed cool. And the way he celebrates goals; he's doing the same here, nothing special.

As I wrote: there's a difference about what medias are writing and what real happened. Salah is muslem - but he never ever said anything against Israel. And about the fans - if you got blamed everytime you got the ball ... it's nothing special to give a fuck off to fans when you score. Salah is a respectful person - I even believe that he doesn't have personal issues against Israel. And finally - it's all about sports. And not about politics or religion. And it's a fine thing that there's a line between...

Delgado hat geschrieben:And now you all buy Barca Tricots. Gread Marketing.

Salah never start with something. Aegypt medias wrote something he never said and all Israelis relied on this.

Mundharmonika hat geschrieben:Hello to Israel

As far as I know Salah never said that he would not travel to Israel. This seems to be the invention of the media or do you have any serious source in order to prove that Salah really mentioned that he was not going to travel to Israel?

Regarding the handshake in Basel. I do agree with you that this was not the kind of action that I like to see from any FC Basel player. I think that any player should respect the other no matter what religion, colour or race.

But anyway... we are now concentrating on other matters. At the end it was the behaviour of one single player of FC Basel. This behaviour does not reflect the opinion of the other players or the club.

Ticino hat geschrieben:Hi

as already said by others we do not see the necessity to mix up politics and sports here in Switzerland (most of us at least, there were some people who felt the necessity to comment about you not being europeans or who had the need to tell the forum-community they will avoid Israel away).
That said, to your question:
That he didnt want to come isnt confirmed yet (and wont ever be); no comment necessary on this matter.
About the other two things, yes, i personally was disappointed. But since i do not personally know the above-mentioned player, and i do not have any knowledge of preceding events, i do not feel like judging him. But i definitively would have prefered if he had "just played" as the other egyptian did.

Crane hat geschrieben:First of all, Salah never publicly said he didn't want to play in Israel. Those statements were made by egyptian newspapers and then adopted by the media in Switzerland and Israel.
Him not shaking hands was certainly not sportsmanlike, but considering the possible consequences he or his family might have faced in Egypt if he appeared to "friendly" with the Maccabi Players, maybe "kind of" understandable.
And provoking fans is just part of the game, especially in such important games, just like it's "normal" for fans to provoke players in an attempt to distract them.

SubComandante hat geschrieben:First of all; there is a difference about what medias are writing and what players really said. He never said in front of media people, that he doen't want to play in Israel. There were just boulevard medias writing about his plans not to go to Israel. They wrote it, he never mention it - at least not in front of medias. The story about the handshake; his family lives in Egypt and the circumstances there aren't "easy". He's just 21 - you never know about the danger his family could be when he's doing a friendly handshake - it's sad, but Egypt is in a dangerous situation inside. He got blamed from the Tel Aviv fans during the whole game. He stayed cool. And the way he celebrates goals; he's doing the same here, nothing special.

As I wrote: there's a difference about what medias are writing and what real happened. Salah is muslem - but he never ever said anything against Israel. And about the fans - if you got blamed everytime you got the ball ... it's nothing special to give a fuck off to fans when you score. Salah is a respectful person - I even believe that he doesn't have personal issues against Israel. And finally - it's all about sports. And not about politics or religion. And it's a fine thing that there's a line between...

You all say that Salah did not say anything publicly, but his comments after the game did not show great affection for Israel.

I really want to believe that he had no problem with us but he was photographed during the game and I got a different impression....

Anyone know perhaps, if Muhammad Salah shook the hand to Avi Rikan ? ( An Israeli Player that play in Zurich - i think he score against you )

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:You all say that Salah did not say anything publicly, but his comments after the game did not show great affection for Israel.

I really want to believe that he had no problem with us but he was photographed during the game and I got a different impression....

Anyone know perhaps, if Muhammad Salah shook the hand to Avi Rikan ? ( An Israeli Player that play in Zurich - i think he score against you )

And even if he's having issues with Israel. Except the handshake thing he didn't anything special. As he scored, he did the same he's doing here. Kissing the playfield. What's the issue you are asking about that story. You'd like to hear, that he hates Israel and after you may jack off? This is sports, not politics. That's the reason why football is great. We had a north and south korean player in the team and there was no issue at all. And if there'd be a player of Israel - Salah and Elneny (and Safari) would respect him as person. If there was something negative, then ... medias who tried to find an issue just to have a new great story. You'd like to be a puppet of medias?

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:You all say that Salah did not say anything publicly, but his comments after the game did not show great affection for Israel.

I really want to believe that he had no problem with us but he was photographed during the game and I got a different impression....

Anyone know perhaps, if Muhammad Salah shook the hand to Avi Rikan ? ( An Israeli Player that play in Zurich - i think he score against you )

Salah is an 21 years old boy, which was 90 Minute massive attacked verbally by the israeli Fans and physically by the players. What would you expect?

SubComandante hat geschrieben:And even if he's having issues with Israel. Except the handshake thing he didn't anything special. As he scored, he did the same he's doing here. Kissing the playfield. What's the issue you are asking about that story. You'd like to hear, that he hates Israel and after you may jack off? This is sports, not politics. That's the reason why football is great. We had a north and south korean player in the team and there was no issue at all. And if there'd be a player of Israel - Salah and Elneny (and Safari) would respect him as person. If there was something negative, then ... medias who tried to find an issue just to have a new great story. You'd like to be a puppet of medias?

Delgado hat geschrieben:Salah is an 21 years old boy, which was 90 Minute massive attacked verbally by the israeli Fans and physically by the players. What would you expect?

Unfortunately, a lot of sports collides with politics

Many times at the Olympics happened Iranians did not want to play against Israelis

And I'm not saying that the behavior of the Maccabi fans was alright , two side are wrong!

You did not answered me about Avi Rikan , Salah shake his hand?

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:You all say that Salah did not say anything publicly, but his comments after the game did not show great affection for Israel.

I really want to believe that he had no problem with us but he was photographed during the game and I got a different impression....

Anyone know perhaps, if Muhammad Salah shook the hand to Avi Rikan ? ( An Israeli Player that play in Zurich - i think he score against you )

It's true that it isnt confirmed from a CREDITABLE source he said anything publicly. For sure not to swiss medias. Could be he did a phone interview with some egyptian media, i cannod exclude that. About the Shake-hands matter, it is obvious it had sth to do with politics. But as long as i cant be sure he did that just out of racism or for religious matters, i wont judge him (as i already said, i didnt like it and i do not want to see such things coming from any FCB-player). And besides, i dont expect affection for our opponents by a FCB-Player
Didnt notice what happened today, but since no media wrote about it i guess they shaked hands normally.

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Unfortunately, a lot of sports collides with politics

Many times at the Olympics happened Iranians did not want to play against Israelis

And I'm not saying that the behavior of the Maccabi fans was alright , two side are wrong!

You did not answered me about Avi Rikan , Salah shake his hand?

Avi Rikan? No one cares. He did it for sure. And I think, there's a slight difference between Iran and Egypt And the behaviour of Maccabi Fans was silly. You can blame someone, when he's doing an evil foul. But not because of articles in medias. Final conclusion: lots of emotions for nothing. Nothing at all. Salah is a fine person and a fine player. He was just a cue ball of some retarded people. That's it...

Ticino hat geschrieben:It's true that it isnt confirmed from a CREDITABLE source he said anything publicly. For sure not to swiss medias. Could be he did a phone interview with some egyptian media, i cannod exclude that. About the Shake-hands matter, it is obvious it had sth to do with politics. But as long as i cant be sure he did that just out of racism or for religious matters, i wont judge him (as i already said, i didnt like it and i do not want to see such things coming from any FCB-player). And besides, i dont expect affection for our opponents by a FCB-Player
Didnt notice what happened today, but since no media wrote about it i guess they shaked hands normally.

Ok thank you!

I'm glad that at least we agree not to mix sports and politics

I only pity your club did not come out against this (even against Saleh and against Maccabi and its audience)

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Ok thank you!

I'm glad that at least we agree not to mix sports and politics

I only pity your club did not come out against this (even against Saleh and against Maccabi and its audience)

In dubio pro reo. Or: he didn't do or say anything wrong.

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Unfortunately, a lot of sports collides with politics

Many times at the Olympics happened Iranians did not want to play against Israelis

And I'm not saying that the behavior of the Maccabi fans was alright , two side are wrong!

You did not answered me about Avi Rikan , Salah shake his hand?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they shook hands. Both were in the starting lineup and there is a shakehands procedure before the game, I saw Salah lined up with the team (so he didn't feel the urge to change shoes this time...), I didn't see the actual handshake between them as it was outside the scope of the camera, but I'm pretty sure that it would have been commented by the TV commentator if there would have been something unusual happening, and the teams would have reacted as well I suppose.

Can I ask you an honest question?

I know that we have not good strikers in Israel

But if it was , Do you think the Israeli player get along with Muhammad Salah? , Especially if, God forbid, something happens between Israel and Egypt

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben: But if it was , Do you think the Israeli player get along with Muhammad Salah? , Especially if, God forbid, something happens between Israel and Egypt

Why not? Like others said in former posts: we had a North- and a South-Korean playing together without any problems.

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Ok thank you!

I'm glad that at least we agree not to mix sports and politics

I only pity your club did not come out against this (even against Saleh and against Maccabi and its audience)

Oh, in that case the club did manage the situation very well. You have to consider that both players have family members living in egypt, and you know first hand what fanatic brainwashed islamistic dumbasses are able to do in the name of their imaginary friend.

PS. If he really shaked hands normally today, as I assumed, that would confirm (or at least be a hint) he behaved as he did because he was under some kind of pressure from egypt and not because He had some kind of problems himself with Israel/Israelian players. I could live with that, even if i guess it wasnt necessary and it pisses me off that egyptian medias, or someone else, managed to make him believe that was necessary.

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:I know that we have not good strikers in Israel

But if it was , Do you think the Israeli player get along with Muhammad Salah?

You are telling us that there are no good strikers in Israel. So why are we talking about a scenario between Salah and an Israeli player if there is no chance that it will ever happen?

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:Can I ask you an honest question?

I know that we have not good strikers in Israel

But if it was , Do you think the Israeli player get along with Muhammad Salah? , Especially if, God forbid, something happens between Israel and Egypt

Are you drunk? Or what's the porpuse for such stupid questions?

MHFC_1913 hat geschrieben:I only pity your club did not come out against this (even against Saleh and against Maccabi and its audience)

In fact our club did come out. At a press conference in israel they just wanted to bring our coach as well as the team capitan. Then there an egyptian source saying that salah only went to israel to play on palestinian ground and some other crazy things which salah never said. Our president then confronted salah with this untrue statements of the egyptian press and urged salah to deny these statements in front of the israeli press, what he did.

Our club never wanted to make things bigger than they were (because there was nothing really). The club only commented on things when there was an absolute necessaty to do so. I belive that is the best way to handle such things as you do not give any further presentation platform to the people that want to mix politics into the two games.